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The company will apply to BaFin, Germany's... og:url: https://daily.dev/posts/getting-ready-to-operate-gnu-taler-in-germany-lcx6wki1o og:image: https://api.daily.dev/og/posts/lCX6WkI1O.png og:image:alt: Getting ready to operate GNU Taler in Germany og:image:width: 1200 og:image:height: 630 og:locale: en --- > ## Documentation Index > Fetch the complete documentation index at: https://daily.dev/llms.txt > Use this file to discover all available pages before exploring further. # Getting ready to operate GNU Taler in Germany **[Hacker News](https://daily.dev/sources/hn)** · 5 min read · 0 upvotes · 0 comments ## Summary Taler Operations AG is being founded in Bochum to operate the GNU Taler payment system in Euro, starting in Germany. The company will apply to BaFin, Germany's financial supervisory authority, for a licence as an electronic money institution. It takes over the role originally planned for GLS Bank, which stepped back from issuing e-money for Taler in January 2026 but remains a consortium member. GNU Taler stays free software. The company is raising capital from investors willing to contribute at least €50,000. ## Full article daily.dev links to this article rather than hosting it. Read it at the original source: ## Questions this post answers ### Who is going to operate the GNU Taler payment system for Euro payments in Germany? Taler Operations AG, a German stock corporation in formation seated in Bochum and a subsidiary of Taler Systems SA in Luxembourg, will operate the GNU Taler exchange for Euro payments. It takes over this role from GLS Bank, which decided in January 2026 not to pursue it further, though GLS remains a consortium member in a supporting role. The company must still apply to BaFin, Germany's financial supervisory authority, for an e-money institution licence before operations can begin. _Developers tracking GNU Taler's rollout can follow licensing and launch updates on daily.dev._ ### Does GNU Taler being operated by a licensed company mean it's no longer free software? No, GNU Taler remains free software; only the operating company running the regulated Euro payment service is new. The protocol suite and its reference implementation stay open and free, while Taler Operations AG is the licensed entity handling compliance, e-money issuance, and regulatory requirements like the BaFin authorisation. _Developers evaluating open payment protocols can weigh projects like Taler on daily.dev._ ## Community take How the wider developer community reacted, aggregated from 1 discussion and 96 comments across hackernews (as of 2026-10-23). **TL;DR:** The discussion is dominated by a sharp, technical dispute over whether Taler's design (anonymous payer, identifiable payee) is genuinely privacy-preserving or a deceptively-marketed surveillance tool, alongside broader worries about state overreach and competition from Wero and stablecoins. **Sentiment:** 15% positive · 30% mixed · 55% skeptical **The case for** - Several argue Taler is a real improvement over existing card/bank payment systems by hiding buyer identity from merchants. - Some see value in a European, non-US-controlled payment alternative that reduces dependence on Visa/PayPal/Mastercard. - Supporters note Taler is transparent about its design tradeoffs and already operates legally in Switzerland. **The pushback** - Critics argue the privacy claims are misleading since merchant identity and transaction details remain fully traceable to the state. - Some call the KYC/AML-compliant design a 'backdoor' or 'honeypot' that could be abused by future authoritarian governments. - Concerns raised about token expiration requiring regular online renewal, which some see as worse than existing e-cash or crypto. - Doubts about Taler's ability to compete against bank-backed Wero or established stablecoin/crypto rails given slow adoption. **By community** - hackernews (heated): A long, contentious thread splits between people defending Taler's cryptographic privacy-for-payers design and others who call its privacy claims deceptive or politically naive, with side arguments about EU regulation, taxation, and crypto adoption. **Hottest debate:** Whether Taler's payer-anonymous/payee-identified design is a legitimate privacy improvement or a deceptively marketed surveillance system. **Open questions** - Can Taler's architecture actually prevent correlation of withdrawals and deposits at scale, or does volume need to be very high for that privacy to hold? - Will regulators eventually force stricter controls (negative interest rates, withdrawal limits) as hinted in related central bank whitepapers? - How will Taler compete against bank-backed Wero and established card networks given past adoption struggles? **Highlights** > This is a surveillance oriented alternative to cryptocurrencies which uses the distraction of complicated cryptography to obfscuate the fact that by design it intentionally undermines the privacy of its users: it attaches the receivers identity to every payment they receive, along with the amount and makes it non-private-- potentially opening the door to abuse by kidnappers, extortionists, marketers responding to income signals, plaintiffs attorneys, and other such scoundrel. The claims that is is privacy preserving are deceptive, and in my option constitute an act of intentional fraud on the part of its creators -- the fact that people are deceived by the privacy claims is clear in your comment: You ask why would the banks adopt something private. The answer is: it isn't. Its existence is justified under a fairytale model of how the world works-- a false belief that actually anonymous payments are unlawful and that their compromised alternative is the best possible. In the path of doing so, they not only falsely sell a system with compromised privacy as private, but they also help bring about a dystopia where privacy is unlawful in much the same manner that doing business with companies that refuse to accept cash does. It would be fair to say that its an upgrade to privacyless systems-- because it doesn't attach the sender's identity to the transactions themselves--, but to characterize it as a private or privacy preserving system is a lie. > — [nullc on hackernews · 2 comments](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50198398) > wrong assumption Taler is _not_ a fully anonymous payment system nor does it claims so. It solves two specific problems: - merchants get way more personal information about you then they actually need (merchants as e.g. your grocery store) - alternative payments system implementations not owned by visa non of this points include, or pretend to include, that your transactions are anonymous to auditors. Taler is in it's documentation pretty clear about that. It's a improvement to existing payment systems in the framework and limitations of existing payment transactions. For being a honeypot you normally discrepancy between disclosed information and actual situation or other way to try to trick people to disclose things they don't want to disclose. Just because some improvement to existing payment systems isn't hitting some legally impossible ideal doesn't make it a honeypot or any other way malicious. > — [dathinab on hackernews · 1 comments](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50201251) > "It's maybe private in that the Vintner does not need to know who you are, but you can bet the control freak tyrants in the government will know that you bought that wine." -- actually no. Because the digital cash you "extracted" from the exchange was blindly signed, the exchange/central bank would NOT learn that you bought wine. Only that someone (anyone who previously withdrew a sufficient amount of digital cash) bought wine. Please do read up on cryptography, how to do this is known since 1989. > — [grothoff on hackernews](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50200762) > tldr of my understanding (do correct me if I'm wrong): Neither buyer nor seller are anonymous. Your bank knows your ID-verified identity and that you have deposited X talers. However, nobody knows when, where, or even if you spend those talers. You are free to spend talers on eg. a e-book about Tiananmen Square and the bank/state will never know that you did. The seller, on the other hand, has no protections, and will be destroyed for selling an e-book about Tiananmen Square. Also, you can't realistically buy a physical book about Tiananmen Square because you will give up your address to the shipper and by extension to the state. If my understanding is correct... it's not good enough. In a free society we should be able to both purchase and publish e-books about Tiananmen Square, and this does not permit that. > — [anonymous908213 on hackernews · 2 comments](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50200522) > > buys Taler it's more transaction tokenization system then a crypto currency, so you don't really "buy Taler (currency)", you give Taler digital Euros and they give you a token representing this digital Euros in a more anonymous way. (They also can work for other currencies, but doesn't do currency exchanges/cross currency transactions itself). Effectively this means: - The merchant (e.g. your local grocery store, restaurant etc.) doesn't get information about you they can aggregate, sell etc. This is the main improvement. - It's not controlled by a US company, this is also a pretty big improvement. - Taler doesn't strictly require customer wallets to be bound to an bank account nor do they identify who you are as a customer. This makes it hard for Taler to abuse the audit log, which is also an improvement. - It does strictly require merchants (anyone receiving money) to be bound to a bank account for given currency (here Euro). It's best to think about it as the money going directly to the merchants normal bank account. - Taler has audit logs containing what token was used from which customer(id) with which merchant (which is strictly bound to having to have a bank account), as well as logs about how money got into the customers wallet and all this methods you can put money into it will (likely) be traceable, so criminal investigator and similar can still pretty much trace back who did which transaction when. Just with a bit more effort/extra steps. So with enough automation states can as much surveil you then they can now. Practically it seems to make things a bit more high effort then today, which is a good thing to have. IFF Taler allow putting digital Euros into a wallet using gift cards buyable with cash this indeed could still be used for money laundering (similar to how most gift card systems can be used for it), but I think it's unlikely they allow such things and most people practically will likely link up their bank account. Another thing to consider is that for any ordering of physical good you normally have to put in a shipping address with your name, even if you send it to a post box. And for a bunch of other things the vendor also has to get your identity out of band (independent of used payment processing). E.g. many kinds of contracts, high value payments, currency exchanges etc. etc. This doesn't make it useless. It still is an improvement. Especially if payment terminals in physical shops get support for it and/or digital goods can be bought with it. In Germany a lot of the large chains with physical shops more or less all use the same payment terminals for card payment with support relative flexible software so it's actually possible I think. Just hard to happen without regulatory pressure, similar to Wero support on a payment terminal. > — [dathinab on hackernews](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50201917) **Source threads** - [hackernews](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50197404) · 238 points · 96 comments ## Similar posts on daily.dev - [Augustus raises $180M to build a Global Dollar Bank](https://daily.dev/posts/augustus-raises-180m-to-build-a-global-dollar-bank-wrskucjpq) · The Next Web · 0 upvotes · 0 comments - [Europe's $24 Trillion Breakup With Visa and Mastercard](https://daily.dev/posts/europe-s-24-trillion-breakup-with-visa-and-mastercard-kgdur7axx) · Hacker News · 0 upvotes · 0 comments - [Banks to lose their grip on South Africa’s payments system](https://daily.dev/posts/banks-to-lose-their-grip-on-south-africa-s-payments-system-8mwaiskym) · TechCentral · 0 upvotes · 0 comments - [Europe preps Digital Euro to enter circulation in 2029](https://daily.dev/posts/europe-preps-digital-euro-to-enter-circulation-in-2029-mqvjg2s6x) · The Register · 0 upvotes · 0 comments - [Hackers arrested over €30M bank fraud exploiting service provider flaw](https://daily.dev/posts/hackers-arrested-over-30m-bank-fraud-exploiting-service-provider-flaw-nm6xjctxm) · BleepingComputer · 0 upvotes · 0 comments --- Tags: [#open-source](https://daily.dev/tags/open-source), [#privacy](https://daily.dev/tags/privacy), [#fintech](https://daily.dev/tags/fintech) [View this post on daily.dev](https://daily.dev/posts/getting-ready-to-operate-gnu-taler-in-germany-lcx6wki1o) ```json {"@context":"https://schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"Organization","@id":"https://daily.dev/#organization","name":"daily.dev","url":"https://daily.dev","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","url":"https://daily.dev/apple-touch-icon.png","width":180,"height":180},"sameAs":["https://twitter.com/dailydotdev","https://github.com/dailydotdev","https://www.linkedin.com/company/daily-dev-ltd"]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https://daily.dev/#website","url":"https://daily.dev","name":"daily.dev","publisher":{"@id":"https://daily.dev/#organization"},"potentialAction":{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https://daily.dev/search?q={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}}]} {"@context":"https://schema.org","@type":"TechArticle","headline":"Getting ready to operate GNU Taler in Germany","url":"https://daily.dev/posts/getting-ready-to-operate-gnu-taler-in-germany-lcx6wki1o","mainEntityOfPage":{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https://daily.dev/posts/getting-ready-to-operate-gnu-taler-in-germany-lcx6wki1o"},"datePublished":"2026-10-22T18:17:41.607Z","dateModified":"2026-10-23T04:01:22.555Z","description":"Taler Operations AG is being founded in Bochum to operate the GNU Taler payment system in Euro, starting in Germany. 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